-Hermione actually having bushy hair and large front teeth
-Ron making the jokes, not being the joke.
-Hermione having personality flaws
-Sassy Harry (the ‘pincers’ scene was not enough…)
-Rupert Grint being allowed to play Ron how he was in the books (i.e a three-dimensional character, not a comedic sidekick and walking punch-line)
-No-one else but Hermione fancying Gilderoy Lockhart.
-Ron’s obvious irritation over Hermione’s said crush on Lockhart
-Winky
-Peeves
-James, Sirius, Remus
and Peter being the Marauders, and making the map
-Ron standing up on a
broken leg and telling Sirius that if ‘you want to kill Harry, you’ll have to
kill us too!’
-Hermione and Ginny not fancying Cedric Diggory (Why was
this even put in the films?)
-The actual Quidditch
World Cup final
-Ludo Bagman
-Ron being upset with
Harry because he thought Harry had done it without him, not just because he was
jealous
-Ron not leaving
Hermione crying on the staircase at the end of the Yule Ball
-‘calmly’
-SPEW
-Ron not saying ‘I’ll go easy on you’ to
Hermione. (Noticing a pattern here?)
-Charlie Weasley
-Ginny Weasley having a
personality (Bonnie Wright, you deserved so much better…)
-Hermione and Ron both being horrible to each-other during
the whole ‘Lavender’ debacle.
-Four words- ‘Weasley is our king’.
-Harry and Ginny having
a relationship that didn’t make you wonder whether she slipped him love potion. These scenes were so weird to watch…
-Dumbledore’s funeral
-Ron and Hermione
comforting each-other during the funeral
-Both Ron and Hermione
saying they would stick with Harry on his quest for the Horcruxes (I don’t care
if Rupert Grint was ill with swine flu when they were filming, they could have
easily edited him in later!)
-RON DANCING WITH
HERMIONE AT BILL AND FLEUR’S WEDDING RECEPTION! This was a massive deal for
their relationship development, and the film-makers threw it out the window in
exchange for a ‘Ron still can’t ask Hermione to dance’ bit!
-Ron leaving because he
was worried about his family, and thought Harry didn’t care, not just because
he suspected Hermione was snogging Harry (FYI Kloves, this wouldn’t have been necessary
if you had written the golden trio as they were in the books, instead of trying
to force your own OTP into the scripts)
-Harry and Hermione
being barely able to talk without Ron around. And no out-of-nowhere dancing
either!
-Dobby being present in
more than one film before he returned to die.
-Hermione finally kissing Ron because she realised how much he had matured as a person (he remembered the house-elves when everyone-else forgot), and realised that she couldn’t go another moment without letting him know how she felt. Not because they both go soaked in the chamber of secrets after destroying Hufflepuff’s cup (that scene made no sense, and was so uncomfortable to watch, and I’m a Romione shipper, for crying out loud!)
-Voldemort’s body not
changing into magic dandruff and disappearing into nothing. This misses the
point of his death entirely.
-Harry fixing his own
wand with the Elder Wand. If he was going to break it, he could have at least
fixed his own first.
-Not sure about this
one, but did Ron even get a line in the ‘nineteen years later’ scene in the
films? Because if he didn’t get to say his ‘I’m extremely famous’ line, I am
throwing up on my laptop in rage.
-Also, Ronald Bilius
Weasley getting some freaking RESPECT and NOT being made into a figure of fun
for non-Potterheads to laugh at!
Agreed with everything, except the Harry/Hermione dance because that scene was cute as heck and probably one of my favourite scene in the movies.
It really shows that Harry is a great friend who knows what’s up and tries to cheer her up, at least that’s always how I saw it
I could agree with you on the dance in theory, but there are reasons why I put it on this list;
In a void, this scene would work fine. It could easily be a sweet moment between two close friends. But it isn’t; the scene is placed during the time when Harry and Hermione were effectively in mourning for Ron’s leaving (under the influence of the horcrux, I might add, before that debate rears its head). The dancing scene negates the miserable attitude that (in the book) permeated every moment Harry and Hermione shared during the time Ron was gone. It does away with the idea that Ron’s leaving was a devastating blow, and showed the very thing the horcrux tortured Ron over: that Harry and Hermione didn’t need him and that they were happy on their own.
The dance could have been put into virtually any other part of the book series, and it would have been fine. But having the dance scene (with that weird little look they give each-other at the end) in the part of DH where Ron wasn’t around basically shows that everything Ron was terrified of could have easily happened. Ron’s been gone barely a few days, and already Harry and Hermione are having quasi-romantic moments. In the books, the horcrux tortured Ron with the idea but it was never a possibility: Harry and Hermione never saw each-other like that. In the films, the possibility is not only there, but also could have happened.
It negates the idea that Ron was the glue that held the trio together. In the books, the darkest moments of the series are always when Ron is not present. In fourth year, Harry becomes moody and miserable when he and Ron aren’t talking. Likewise, the mood becomes unpleasant in sixth year when Ron and Hermione aren’t speaking to each-other. In DH, Ron’s department basically crippled Harry and Hermione; they barely spoke to each-other, and the only thing Harry did to comfort Hermione was to throw Ron’s blanket over her and walk off to stare at the marauders map. That’s it.
Having them dancing not only invalidates the severity of Ron’s departure, but also comes across as distinctly out-of-character, especially for Harry. I don’t mean the dancing itself; I mean that weird little not-quite-platonic look shared when they finish dancing. Harry knew how Ron and Hermione felt about each-other, and yet (in the film) he starts looking at Hermione like that. Not only does this go against Harry’s intense loyalty to Ron, but also the fact that Harry never saw Hermione as anything other than a sister.
If the scene had been written as just two-friends-trying-to-cheer-each-other-up, I could deal with it. I wouldn’t like it, but I could stand it. But having the quasi-romantic moment in the scene effectively turns what was (in the books) a unpleasant horcrux-induced nightmare to torture Ron into a distinct possibility.
Even the people involved in the filming thought it was out-of-character. Emma Watson said (and I quote);
“Watson: (talking about the Harry and Hermione dance scene in DH Part 1) This is just so interesting because when I was doing the scene, I said to David [Heyman]: “This isn’t in the book, she didn’t write this.” I’m not sure I am comfortable insinuating something however subtle it is!”
I’d also like to leave a link to this thread, which goes into more detail about the screen-writer of DH (and all HP films except OOTP) Steve Kloves and his alleged biased towards the Harry x Hermione pairing and his dismissal of the characters of Ron and Ginny due to the same reason.
Obviously, I’m not going to criticise people for shipping what they ship (within reason). The issue I have is with the injection of quasi-romantic moments inbetween Harry and Hermione into a narrative that always held the opposite approach. In the books, Harry and Hermione are surrogate-siblings. In the films, however, they are coded in the idea of ‘protagonist and female protagonist who eventually get together’, despite the fact that any kind of adequate adaptation of the source material would make that impossible.
Which is presumably why Steve Kloves left out the scene where Harry goes into detail about how he doesn’t see Hermione as anything other than a sister. It’s an important scene because it showcases that the horcrux was completely wrong and that Ron’s fears were completely unfounded. It wasn’t put in the film because it would seem like Harry was just covering up what went on and straight-up lying to Ron.
Not only does this mean that the films didn’t get Ron and Hermione’s relationship right, but that they couldn’t even deliver any kind of conclusion to the implied-romantic-tension between Harry and Hermione. It’s effectively baiting the audience to suspect something, and then giving them something completely different.
Instead of keeping the interpersonal relationships of the three heroes as they were in the books, Steve Kloves pushed them in the Hollywood trope of ‘protagonist, female protagonist, and comic-relief sidekick’; effectively stripping away any subversion of that trope that the books pioneered.
Also, the virtually nude Riddle Harmionie locket scene. What was that about?
Seriously, that locket-Harry-and-Hermione kiss is more graphic than both the Harry x Ginny and Ron x Hermione kiss scenes (both of which were staged really badly)…
Did the locket forms of Harry and Hermione have to be virtually nude? No, of course not. All it did was twist the book scene, and make the actors uncomfortable (Dan and Emma both had to wear silver body-paint during the filming, which was annoying for all concerned).
-Hermione actually having bushy hair and large front teeth
-Ron making the jokes, not being the joke.
-Hermione having personality flaws
-Sassy Harry (the ‘pincers’ scene was not enough…)
-Rupert Grint being allowed to play Ron how he was in the books (i.e a three-dimensional character, not a comedic sidekick and walking punch-line)
-No-one else but Hermione fancying Gilderoy Lockhart.
-Ron’s obvious irritation over Hermione’s said crush on Lockhart
-Winky
-Peeves
-James, Sirius, Remus
and Peter being the Marauders, and making the map
-Ron standing up on a
broken leg and telling Sirius that if ‘you want to kill Harry, you’ll have to
kill us too!’
-Hermione and Ginny not fancying Cedric Diggory (Why was
this even put in the films?)
-The actual Quidditch
World Cup final
-Ludo Bagman
-Ron being upset with
Harry because he thought Harry had done it without him, not just because he was
jealous
-Ron not leaving
Hermione crying on the staircase at the end of the Yule Ball
-‘calmly’
-SPEW
-Ron not saying ‘I’ll go easy on you’ to
Hermione. (Noticing a pattern here?)
-Charlie Weasley
-Ginny Weasley having a
personality (Bonnie Wright, you deserved so much better…)
-Hermione and Ron both being horrible to each-other during
the whole ‘Lavender’ debacle.
-Four words- ‘Weasley is our king’.
-Harry and Ginny having
a relationship that didn’t make you wonder whether she slipped him love potion. These scenes were so weird to watch…
-Dumbledore’s funeral
-Ron and Hermione
comforting each-other during the funeral
-Both Ron and Hermione
saying they would stick with Harry on his quest for the Horcruxes (I don’t care
if Rupert Grint was ill with swine flu when they were filming, they could have
easily edited him in later!)
-RON DANCING WITH
HERMIONE AT BILL AND FLEUR’S WEDDING RECEPTION! This was a massive deal for
their relationship development, and the film-makers threw it out the window in
exchange for a ‘Ron still can’t ask Hermione to dance’ bit!
-Ron leaving because he
was worried about his family, and thought Harry didn’t care, not just because
he suspected Hermione was snogging Harry (FYI Kloves, this wouldn’t have been necessary
if you had written the golden trio as they were in the books, instead of trying
to force your own OTP into the scripts)
-Harry and Hermione
being barely able to talk without Ron around. And no out-of-nowhere dancing
either!
-Dobby being present in
more than one film before he returned to die.
-Hermione finally kissing Ron because she realised how much he had matured as a person (he remembered the house-elves when everyone-else forgot), and realised that she couldn’t go another moment without letting him know how she felt. Not because they both go soaked in the chamber of secrets after destroying Hufflepuff’s cup (that scene made no sense, and was so uncomfortable to watch, and I’m a Romione shipper, for crying out loud!)
-Voldemort’s body not
changing into magic dandruff and disappearing into nothing. This misses the
point of his death entirely.
-Harry fixing his own
wand with the Elder Wand. If he was going to break it, he could have at least
fixed his own first.
-Not sure about this
one, but did Ron even get a line in the ‘nineteen years later’ scene in the
films? Because if he didn’t get to say his ‘I’m extremely famous’ line, I am
throwing up on my laptop in rage.
-Also, Ronald Bilius
Weasley getting some freaking RESPECT and NOT being made into a figure of fun
for non-Potterheads to laugh at!
Agreed with everything, except the Harry/Hermione dance because that scene was cute as heck and probably one of my favourite scene in the movies.
It really shows that Harry is a great friend who knows what’s up and tries to cheer her up, at least that’s always how I saw it
I could agree with you on the dance in theory, but there are reasons why I put it on this list;
In a void, this scene would work fine. It could easily be a sweet moment between two close friends. But it isn’t; the scene is placed during the time when Harry and Hermione were effectively in mourning for Ron’s leaving (under the influence of the horcrux, I might add, before that debate rears its head). The dancing scene negates the miserable attitude that (in the book) permeated every moment Harry and Hermione shared during the time Ron was gone. It does away with the idea that Ron’s leaving was a devastating blow, and showed the very thing the horcrux tortured Ron over: that Harry and Hermione didn’t need him and that they were happy on their own.
The dance could have been put into virtually any other part of the book series, and it would have been fine. But having the dance scene (with that weird little look they give each-other at the end) in the part of DH where Ron wasn’t around basically shows that everything Ron was terrified of could have easily happened. Ron’s been gone barely a few days, and already Harry and Hermione are having quasi-romantic moments. In the books, the horcrux tortured Ron with the idea but it was never a possibility: Harry and Hermione never saw each-other like that. In the films, the possibility is not only there, but also could have happened.
It negates the idea that Ron was the glue that held the trio together. In the books, the darkest moments of the series are always when Ron is not present. In fourth year, Harry becomes moody and miserable when he and Ron aren’t talking. Likewise, the mood becomes unpleasant in sixth year when Ron and Hermione aren’t speaking to each-other. In DH, Ron’s department basically crippled Harry and Hermione; they barely spoke to each-other, and the only thing Harry did to comfort Hermione was to throw Ron’s blanket over her and walk off to stare at the marauders map. That’s it.
Having them dancing not only invalidates the severity of Ron’s departure, but also comes across as distinctly out-of-character, especially for Harry. I don’t mean the dancing itself; I mean that weird little not-quite-platonic look shared when they finish dancing. Harry knew how Ron and Hermione felt about each-other, and yet (in the film) he starts looking at Hermione like that. Not only does this go against Harry’s intense loyalty to Ron, but also the fact that Harry never saw Hermione as anything other than a sister.
If the scene had been written as just two-friends-trying-to-cheer-each-other-up, I could deal with it. I wouldn’t like it, but I could stand it. But having the quasi-romantic moment in the scene effectively turns what was (in the books) a unpleasant horcrux-induced nightmare to torture Ron into a distinct possibility.
Even the people involved in the filming thought it was out-of-character. Emma Watson said (and I quote);
“Watson: (talking about the Harry and Hermione dance scene in DH Part 1) This is just so interesting because when I was doing the scene, I said to David [Heyman]: “This isn’t in the book, she didn’t write this.” I’m not sure I am comfortable insinuating something however subtle it is!”
I’d also like to leave a link to this thread, which goes into more detail about the screen-writer of DH (and all HP films except OOTP) Steve Kloves and his alleged biased towards the Harry x Hermione pairing and his dismissal of the characters of Ron and Ginny due to the same reason.
Obviously, I’m not going to criticise people for shipping what they ship (within reason). The issue I have is with the injection of quasi-romantic moments inbetween Harry and Hermione into a narrative that always held the opposite approach. In the books, Harry and Hermione are surrogate-siblings. In the films, however, they are coded in the idea of ‘protagonist and female protagonist who eventually get together’, despite the fact that any kind of adequate adaptation of the source material would make that impossible.
Which is presumably why Steve Kloves left out the scene where Harry goes into detail about how he doesn’t see Hermione as anything other than a sister. It’s an important scene because it showcases that the horcrux was completely wrong and that Ron’s fears were completely unfounded. It wasn’t put in the film because it would seem like Harry was just covering up what went on and straight-up lying to Ron.
Not only does this mean that the films didn’t get Ron and Hermione’s relationship right, but that they couldn’t even deliver any kind of conclusion to the implied-romantic-tension between Harry and Hermione. It’s effectively baiting the audience to suspect something, and then giving them something completely different.
Instead of keeping the interpersonal relationships of the three heroes as they were in the books, Steve Kloves pushed them in the Hollywood trope of ‘protagonist, female protagonist, and comic-relief sidekick’; effectively stripping away any subversion of that trope that the books pioneered.
It is sad that the Harry Potter movies turned Hermione into a perfect, blameless creature when in reality she constantly nagged people, couldn’t handle not being the best at everything and gave Ron as much shit as Ron gave her. This is what makes her so great as a character. I hate that they left it out.
It makes me sad that the movies turned Snape into a smooth, handsome man who was wrong done by everybody and was entirely blameless when in reality he was a greasy haired, unattractive, twitchy, incredibly nasty man who brought all of his own misfortune on himself and had to work to redeem himself. This is what makes him so interesting as a character.
It makes me sad that the movies turned Ron Weasley into a piece of shit, and Ginny into a complete nonentity when in reality he wasn’t, and neither was she.
Movie!Ginny had less personalty than a broken chair. But I don’t hate her because she deserved so much better, she got less and less of screentime and they completely demolished her characters, so I don’t hate, I just feel really bad.
Hermione, I don’t like her because she got other character traits, lines and screentime, but I still feel bad because Book!Hermione was amazing in her own way but movie!Hermione was just so boring.
Movie!Ginny got nothing while Movie!Hermione got everything
Movie!Ginny got nothing while Movie!Hermione got everything
Me @ Steve Kloves whenever I watch a HP film he wrote
JKR: Dumbledore is the only gay character in the Harry Potter series
Devon and Alfred:
How could you forget about:
Do you ever feel like most of the HP cast understood their characters better than JK Rowling did?
Except Bonnie Wright. She wasn’t a good Ginny.
I think she did fine, considering how little she was given to work with. Steve Kloves (the screen-writer for all the HP series except OOTP) had an irrational dislike of the entire Weasley family (just look what he did to Ron), and wanted Harry and Hermione to become a couple instead of Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny. That’s why Bonnie Wright (and, to a lesser extent, Rupert Grint) was given so little to do in the later films.
If you look at the behind-the-scenes footage, Bonnie really did capture Ginny’s spirit really well. It was just never allowed to be in the films (a couple of scenes notwithstanding).
Nothing basic at all about Ginny, but I dont like that she ended up with Harry.
I think I could get behind it a bit more if there was more obvious build-up; since Harry’s growing feelings for Ginny were very subtle before HBP (@hillnerd did an excellent post about hints throughout the books a while back). Ginny isn’t basic at all; I think the movie version was, but that was the screen-writers’ fault (Bonnie Wright deserved better, dang it!).
Hang on a second; Harry had chemistry with Hermione? Luna; yes. Neville; possibly (they don’t really interact much, but they did share a dorm for six years). Draco Malfoy? Well, they certainly made each-other tense a lot, although I’m not sure if that counts (please don’t @ me, Drarry shippers, I mean do harm). But Hermione? Really? I guess they had chemistry as sort-of siblings, but even then, it’s a stretch. No offence to people who ship it; it’s just not my cup of tea.
This kiss okay. It wasn’t scripted. It was improvised, suggested by Dan and Bonnie agreed with it. Look how much desperation and longing and understanding they managed to put into a moment that wasn’t even scripted at all, because they understood their characters in that moment. Look how much better this kiss is compared to that weak ass scripted and scrappily directed first kiss in the Room of Requirements.
Like I get that if you look at the movies, it would seem Dan and Bonnie don’t quite have the same kind of chemistry as Dan has with Emma, but this kiss shows me that Dan and Bonnie would have managed a convincing and decent portrayal of canon!Harry/Ginny if they were given the chance to explore their characters, were nurtured by a director and a writer who gave a rat’s ass about this couple, who cared to put some development into this relationship.
And I don’t think Dan and Emma’s on-screen chemistry came magically out of nowhere either. They literally spent better parts of all their years from the time they were 10 and 9 together. In a script written by a blatant H/Hr shipper like Steve Kloves, helped later by Yates who seemed even more determined than any director before to push Ron into a corner. So of course Dan and Emma, and by extension Harry and Hermione in the movies will seem much more compatible. Dan literally had like two scenes with Bonnie from PS to GOF. OOTP, for a HP movie, did a okay-ish job of establishing Ginny as her own self, but then completely messed up Harry and Ginny’s bonding process in HBP. And then you wonder why their romance came out so lacklustre…
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