What do you think of Team Starkid’s portrayal of Ron in the potter musicals?

ronandhappiness:

headcanonsandmore:

ronandhappiness:

headcanonsandmore:

I haven’t actually watched AVPM the whole way through just yet (haven’t found the time), but I’ll post my thoughts about it when I do. 

So far, I like it, since it pokes fun at the way the fandom perceives him. Also, I like how many BROTP moments him and Harry get.

Thanks for the ask, anon!

Ron Weasley’s portrayal?

  • His b(romance) with Harry
  • Getting background music every time he came on stage.
  • His romance with Hermione.
  • His rivalry with Draco
  • His bromance with Snape.
  • Basically the entire, “Sidekick,” performance.
  • “That’s Lavender Brown! RACIST SISTER!”
  • “I see myself in Willy Wonka’s Chocolate Factory. Hermione’s turning into a blueberry and I want to eat her.”

Just look at this…

Or maybe this?

Or how about this?

Just look at these cuties…

the love of my life with the love of his life…

This precious unicorn…

And this pretty much sums up Ron…

Joey Richter is an angel on planet earth and anything that he does is perfection. Therefore, his portrayal of Ron Weasley is perfection. Minus the casual sexism in Starkid, starkid!ron was perfect.

Was the casual sexism supposed to be ironic? Or was it just a product of the time it was made (the late 2000s/early 2010s)? 

I guess it’s a bit of both. I haven’t seen AVPM in a while now (mostly, I just listen to the soundtrack and rewatch some of my favourite scenes) but some of it can be problematic. They whitewashed Cho Chang. Some of the Mama Umbridge jokes were vaguely transphobic, even though I noticed a little later because I was too busy admiring Joe Walker’s muscles. They had Dumbledore call an underage Harry a “sexy little bitch.” Most of these are just silly jokes that shouldn’t be taken seriously, but they do leave a sour taste in my mouth. 

Some of the lyrics could be sexist. For example:    

Different as can be:

Voldemort: (singing) You’re a sissy. A twat. A GIRL! I’m the darkest of lords.

Yes, it’s Voldemort singing, but still.

Get Back to Hogwarts:

Hermione: (singing) This year I plan to study a lot.

Ron: (singing and being a dick) That would be cool if you were actually hot!

Harry: (singing) Hey, Ron, come on. We’re the only friends that she’s got!

Seriously, Darren Criss? How could the same genius who wrote the masterpiece that is, “Coolest Girl” have written this line? 🤔

I guess it depends on how you want to interpret it. It’s true that Ron never insulted Hermione’s looks, but have you noticed that, in the books themselves, Ron spewed these random, OOC lines that made him appear shallow? For example, “No bloke in his right mind is going to fancy Tonks when Fleur’s around,” mocking Eloise’s Midgen’s acne, and not wanting to end up with a “pair of trolls.” That felt very OOC imho, so maybe, they were parodying JKR? Granted, every character could be shallow at times; Hermione insulted Viktor Krum’s appearance, Harry was an ultimate savage when describing people’s looks, Fred and George could be shallow as well. 

Maybe I’m overestimating Starkid, but yeah. I’ve always felt like the musical was poking fun at the fandom and the films’ perception of the characters (Draco having a crush on Hermione, Lucius’s beautiful hair, Harry being full of himself, Ron eating all the time, Ginny being excessively weepy, etc etc) so maybe they were mocking the fandom who only perceive Ron as this sexist, and vulgar dude? That line still makes me cringe, though. (And so do those lines from the books.)

That being said, for me personally, the good moments of AVPM outweigh the bad moments. That doesn’t mean I’m going to turn a blind eye on those problematic moments, of course, but that won’t stop me from enjoying the musical. It’s also good to note that the Starkids are really cool and liberal and they are getting better. I’m sure I could’ve mentioned more aspects that annoyed me, but I didn’t want to spoil it for you.

I see what you mean. Yeah, that’s pretty problematic. I have noticed the casual expression in the bits of AVPM I’ve seen so far. I hope it’s ironic, but it does seem quite in-keeping with the time it was made as well. 

I always thought that those weird lines of Ron’s in the books (like the ones you mentioned) were due a few reasons; 

  • JK Rowling was very deliberately writing Ron as a teenage boy, who (in the 90s) weren’t exactly known for being progressive in their attitudes to girls. 
  • While it does seem odd that the normally-tactful Ron would say those lines, Rowling had to create some form of reason as to why Hermione didn’t automatically suggest to Ron that they go to the ball as friends. 
  • Rowling didn’t have any first-hand experience of being a teenage boy (for obvious reasons) and as a result, took inspiration from how teenage boys are expected to act in those situations (i.e with not much tact)
  • By GOF, Rowling was starting to take inspiration from Steve Kloves version of Hermione, and (as a result) got rid of most of Ron’s tact and emotional sensitivity in GOF. Meaning that Ron behaves like a douche who’s only interested in what a girl looks like. After-all, it couldn’t be Hermione’s fault that Ron didn’t pick up on her hints that she wanted to go with him. 

Also, I think the Eloise Midgen thing was something of a running joke in the books. We never actually meet her; all we know of her is that she suffers with appalling acne, and isn’t considered physically attractive (at least, from the male population). 

It’s weird that Ron would say those things, but those are just my thoughts on the matter. 

weasowl:

liberalsarecool:

Trump is inciting violence. The ‘best people’ are rapists and guilty co-conspirators.

Trump is a tax fraud. The press and DOJ/FBI will reveal his lifetime of crimes.

The racist and misogynists will never admit they are gullible enough to elect a con artist.

This is where we are.

oh, yeah, give people a living wage and don’t rape people is SO EXTREME wtf

diva-gonzo:

anotherdayforchaosfay:

oxe-ix-a-milliox:

9amwarmsun:

i don’t trust male ob/gyn doctors

Excerpt from Eros Modestica, GENTLEMEN DON’T LOOK UP LADIES’ SKIRTS  February 14, 2014

“The most searing indictment of male gynecology is the book by Dr. John M. Smith entitled Women and Doctors (The Atlantic Monthly Press, 1992). After spending nearly twenty-five years in gynecological training and clinical practice, Dr. Smith paints a dismal picture of the woman’s specialist. “Male gynecologists, like all men, go through the kind of ‘attitude setting’ that occurs in the proverbial locker rooms while they are growing into manhood.” Dr. Smith, whose practice was in Colorado Springs, says that “It is common and acceptable among practicing gynecologists to speak about their patients bodies, sexual behavior, or medical problems indiscriminately, in terms that are demeaning and reflect a lack of kindness and respect.” (p. 27) Becoming more explicit, he charges them with eroticizing the medical scene: “It is a rare male who is able to see women day in and day out, examine their bodies, hear details of their sex lives, and not only never have a lascivious thought or abuse that access but always remain clinical…” (p.29) He confesses that “I have had a colleague invite me to do an exam on one of his patients under the false guise of a consultation because ‘she has a body you won’t believe’.” “I have seen a physician walk out of an exam room and tell a hallway full of doctors and nurses about the disease his married patient had contracted as a result of an affair. I have seen more than one gynecologist walk into an operating room where another doctor’s patient was already asleep for surgery, lift up the sheet, admire the patient’s breasts, and continue his conversation without pause.” (p.27) Dr. Smith concludes dramatically: After twenty-four years of medical education and clinical gynecological experience, it is my opinion that males should not be gynecologists. The role properly belongs to women.” (p.29) 

And male gynecologists have audacity to say women are just paranoid. 

I love my Ob-Gyn. I went to school with her. I’ve known her for… decades. (like second year of secondary b/c she was a year younger and 4 years younger than her older brother (who is a doctor, too.)

She’s all business and holding conversations while I’m getting probed and poked and prodded. IIRC we discussed how her new practice was going and how much her employees were enjoying the new digs and how much happier they were.

And ya know something else? She didn’t once glance at my boobs while doing her exam.

No wonder why her (less than a year open) practice made Best of XXX in three local papers and outlets.

Because she treats her patients (and staff) right.

bundibird:

initiala:

clones-and-thrones:

deeperthanswampmud:

lickystickypickyshe:

A 14-year-old girl was suspended for snarky answers to a sex ed class quiz.

“I don’t have my vagina with me” is now my go-to.

THIS GIRL SLAYS!

These are all legitimate answers though

I cant believe they suspended her for this?? Surely this is the kind of “stand up for yourself, dont take his bullshit excuses” attitude they want to cultivate in young women??

diva-gonzo:

lierdumoa:

benfael:

stars-glow-for-you:

fierceawakening:

ferenofnopewood:

jumpingjacktrash:

moldytony:

was cruisin my tl & this is so fucking important

i think the moment i was disillusioned about life was when i was maybe 7 years old and realized the reason all my friends had become assholes was because boys aren’t allowed to have any physcial contact that isn’t fighting

my parents were hippie feminists so my brother and i could play clapping games and sleep in puppy piles and give each other weird hairdos, but all the ‘normal’ boys just up and stopped knowing how to touch anyone without hitting sometime between kindergarten and first grade

and my little kid mind briefly saw the vastness of life stretching out in front of all of us, and all the hugs everyone would need and not get, and for a moment i was just like

maybe life is not such a good idea after all

I grew up around a Russian ballet school. Let me tell you something about Russian men: They touch each other. Especially dancers, who are in my experience almost always super tactile people. They rough house like Americans, but they also hug each other, and sit on each other’s laps, and share blankets when it’s cold backstage.

So I grew up knowing full well that the whole Men Don’t Touch thing was puritanical bullshit.

What I was absolutely not prepared for, however, is the super intense effect it has on straight men’s romantic relationships.

Because when you are literally the only person it is okay for your boyfriend to touch, Jesus fucking Christ, that changes the game.

I strongly suspect that a lot of Str8 Dude feelings of entitlement to women’s bodies, particularly the bodies of their wives and girlfriends, is a direct result of those women being the only non-violent physical contact they’re allowed to have.

I know for certain that the framing of any and all platonic physical contact as un-manly has been directly responsible for a lot of sexual dysfunction (and then the attendant misery of trying to get that treated at the ripe old age of 22) with at least one of my exes. It’s a mess when you can’t get it up because you’re depressed and want to be held but you’ve been brainwashed into thinking what you actually want is sex because being held is for girls.

Amazing how the erectile dysfunction went completely away when he learned the difference between feeling horny and feeling cuddly. /sarcasm

“I strongly suspect that a lot of Str8 Dude feelings of entitlement to women’s bodies, particularly the bodies of their wives and girlfriends, is a direct result of those women being the only non-violent physical contact they’re allowed to have.”

Omfg

No wonder the worst of them seem crazy… profound isolation does exactly that

When I taught in Japan, the boys were all super comfortable with each other. They’d sit on laps and hug and roughhouse and it wasn’t seen as bad ? Like it surprised me at first, but then you realize the problem is with so many men feeling that they have to prove… something? I dunno. I personally don’t like hugs or touches, but that is my own personal reasons and nothing of how I was brought up.

Thank you all for this.  Specifically @ferenofnopewood.

Because when you are literally the only person it is okay for your boyfriend to touch, Jesus fucking Christ, that changes the game.

Things I never thought of…I couldn’t imagine if my husband were the only person I was allowed to touch.  As I think on it, that extends to the kids, too.  The dudes aren’t allowed to really even cuddle their own damned children or nieces and nephews.

Wow.

Also explains why western media romanticizes co-dependency in romantic relationships to such an insane degree.

I wonder, quite frankly, if the physical isolation that boys/young man are exposed to for years to a decade, doesn’t impact them in long-term damage ways. But the issue of not cuddling their own kids or nieces and nephews…

Twitter: Why I didn’t report it

I read through quite a bit and while it’s disheartening, it’s also enraging because so many of these problems are caused by men who feel entitled to a woman’s body – even when the children are robbed of their innocence by the one person who should be protecting them. (Yes I’m tapdancing around this  big issue.)

It’s the Chicken or the Egg – what starts the problems first, the toxic masulinity of the dual aspects of boys can only show anger or physical touch via fighting, and that the only ones they can touch are girls (while this also causes problems for anyone in the LGBT community, too.)

When did American Culture change so drastically that boys are isolated so much at an early age and then taught that women are there only for their taking and pleasure and seeing them only as a bodypart and not a potential partner?

I’ve been considering this question for a decade now and….I still don’t have an answer yet.

From a British perspective, I find this whole thing very interesting to read. In the UK, for my generation at least (millennials), we’re much more physically-affectionate than what I’ve seen of American male-male relationships. British male friends tend to hug each-other a lot more, and (while there is a lot of ‘banter’ going on) there is also a lot of genuine platonic love for each-other. 

At least in my experience with my male friends, there’s far less of the “we can’t be physically affectionate or we’ll be considered less-masculine” attitude that is part of toxic masculinity. Heck, a lot of my male friends have even kissed each-other (although many of them were admittedly drunk at the time). 

Having said that, we’ve still got a way to go. I remember giving the male fiance of one of my friends a hug, and the poor bloke blushed scarlet and got all embarrassed. My sibling said that it looked like I was flirting with him. I thought I was just being physically affectionate. Oh well. 

the-feminist-fangirl:

I care about the problems of men. I care that the patriarchy tells men that they have to be stoic beasts incapable of emotion. I care that the patriarchy tells men that they are lust-filled monsters incapable of controlling their own libidos. I care that the patriarchy tells men that they cannot be raped or assaulted because the patriarchy believes women are too weak and inferior to be dangerous.

Feminists did not do this to you, other men did.

A lot of blokes need to remember this. 

Me: [sees a YouTube video about a critique of Doctor Who, and how the show has changed over time] Oh, this should be interesting. 

YouTube video: BUT THE DOCTOR’S A FEMALE NOW?! THIS IS SO HORRIBLE! WHAT’S NEXT, JANE BOND?! SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS HAVE TAKEN OVER OUR SOCIETY AND IN THIS ESSAY I WILL-

Me: 

imreallybad:

imreallybad:

i wish men understood that when women are talking about feminism and rape culture and shit, it’s not just a political conversation. it’s not about being a “social justice warrior” or whatever. it’s about our actual lives being shaped by misogyny since childhood, and the daily reality of living in fear of violence. this isn’t a fucking game or philosophical debate. this is our fucking lives. 

this post is picking up like 100 notes per minute its outta control 

dreamcatchersdaughter:

manthedog:

dlasta:

lierdumoa:

curseworm:

bobavader:

DIVORCE HIM

Our society has a number of loveable buffoons who fool around and are excused from acting like prats because they’re funny. They might be rubbish at most things but as long as their banter is flowing, we put up with it.

These types are almost exclusively men. You don’t get hilarious, idiotic women being lorded as icons of our culture. Diane Abbott is dismissed as a cretin while Boris Johnson is a joker.

Which begs the question: is conscious male incompetence a form of misogyny?

If you labour the point that you can’t cook, then chances are that you won’t be made to cook. If you make a hash out of doing the laundry or hoovering, you’re forcing someone else to take over.

Few have the patience to watch someone do a job badly over and over again and so often, they’ll just take it upon themselves to do your chores as well as their own. Emotional labour is doubled when you’ve got an incompetent clown on your hands.

I was recently listening Semi Circles, a BBC radio comedy starring Paula Wilcox, first broadcast in 1989.

It’s about a housewife who recently wakes up to the fact that she’s spent the past eight years being a slave to her kids and nice-but-emotionally-dim husband.

Part of this awakening is the realisation that she does all the housework because her husband is crap at it. Left alone, he makes inedible food. He lets the kids stay up well beyond their bedtime. He leaves the house a tip. 

He doesn’t even try to do a good job because he fears that if he’s too good at these jobs, his wife will make him do more of them.

https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/01/male-incompetence-is-a-subtle-form-of-misogyny-7046248/

Put these garbage men in the garbage where they belong.

I went and checked the original source and it’s worse. While most of the comments get the problem (the lying, not the eggs) some of them just cannot see that this shit is actually a big honking warning sign for bigger shit. A loving person is not capable of doing this. 

He literally puts his mere convenience over her actual well being. This guy thought up and executed a plan where she has to do *all* the work (because of course it wasn’t just this one specific thing) while he watches her tire herself out from the sidelines. Imagine this going on for *years*. …now imagine this with kids. You think this guy cares if she gets off during sex? Would he take care of her if she were to get sick? Would he ever lift a finger if he could get away not doing it? 

She can’t trust a word he says and he doesn’t give a shit about her needs. It’s not about the *eggs*.

Sorry to reblog from you, stranger, but this commentary is all very good. I especially appreciate the emphasized statement that “a loving person is not capable of doing this.” That line is going to rattle around my brain for ages — the words feel good in my mouth. How you’ve said it is just so right.

I want to add some of OP’s further comments on the thread she made:

“To be fair, I have pretty high standards for cleanliness and his idea of clean vastly differs from mine and honestly, that’s okay! But now I’m starting to seriously wonder if he sabotaged cleaning, too, just to get me to do it. Dishes, for instance. He will wash half and leave a nasty sink full of the rest, claiming he’ll do them later. This drives me nuts, so I just do them. Often he will leave crusted on shit on then, too, so okay, I’ll just do them, right? Now because of the egg business, I’m seeing it as malicious.”

→ The husband is lazy. He seemingly commits to housework, only to bail partway through, and doesn’t even put in the effort required to do the job right in the first place.

“Yes, he sucks at dishes and laundry to the point he is banned from doing them. He will leave clothes in the washer overnight and doesnt separate anything to the point I’ve had many white clothes ruined. My favorite white brassiere is now pink due to his bullshit.”

→ The husband is inconsiderate of his wife’s property, even that which is well-loved. Could his repeated failure to learn how to do this task have been a ruse? Did he anticipate his banishment from laundry duty? OP now has to genuinely wonder about this.

“I’m starting to think he does things wrong on purpose now just to get me to do it. Another example! My car. For a while my driver side door wouldn’t open from the outside, so I had to crawl through the passenger side. He ordered a handle and kept putting it off for WEEKS. Finally, he says his hands are too big to do it, so I had to do it.”

→ The husband makes excuses for himself that cast him as an unwitting victim to fate, with the implication that he would totally do [action], if only he could. He distances himself from any possibility of blame.

Obviously, anonymous forum posts are taken with a grain of salt — we, as readers, will never know for sure if OP is real. That’s not a concern for me, though. Like I don’t care. The fact is that if one assumes this is all true, it is very obvious that the poster’s husband is a perfect example of maliciously feigned incompetence. He’s manipulative and lazy to the point of cruelty, expecting his wife to work while he fails to lift a single functioning finger. The statement that “he likes her eggs better” isn’t cute like some have stated in the replies to this post; it’s just another excuse that walls him off from criticism, a bullshit reason he pulled out of his ass to make her feel guilty and unreasonable for being upset.

The absurdity of the situation when taken at face value — lying about eggs, getting mad about making eggs, even just the reality of deviled eggs (an inherently silly prep style) being someone’s favorite food — extends an air of the absurd to the wife’s concerns, and to others’ warnings. I have noticed several comments to the tune of, “These people are all mad about eggs? What a joke! How oversensitive. That’s just how men are; this is just what marriage looks like.”

It’s fucked up, is what it is.

…deviled egg lady, if you’re truly out there somewhere, I hope you told your husband to make his own goddamn eggs from now on. It’s literally the least he can do.

@manthedog

“It’s literally the least he can do.”

we all just witnessed a fucking murder and it was beautiful.